{"id":16856,"date":"2022-03-15T07:00:34","date_gmt":"2022-03-15T11:00:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/?p=16856"},"modified":"2022-03-12T17:49:23","modified_gmt":"2022-03-12T22:49:23","slug":"cemetery-dance-interview-james-newman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/cemetery-dance-interview-james-newman\/","title":{"rendered":"The Cemetery Dance Interview: Ride or Die with James Newman"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8771\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/interview-victoria-price\/cd-gen-interviews\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?fit=830%2C120&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"830,120\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Cemetery Dance Interviews\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?fit=830%2C120&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8771\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?resize=830%2C120&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"banner graphic that says Cemetery Dance Interviews\" width=\"830\" height=\"120\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?w=830&amp;ssl=1 830w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?resize=350%2C51&amp;ssl=1 350w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/CD-Gen-Interviews.jpg?resize=768%2C111&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_16857\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-16857\" style=\"width: 240px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16857\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/cemetery-dance-interview-james-newman\/jamesnewman-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/jamesnewman.jpg?fit=412%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"412,600\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"jamesnewman\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/jamesnewman.jpg?fit=412%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-16857 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/jamesnewman.jpg?resize=240%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"author James Newman\" width=\"240\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/jamesnewman.jpg?resize=240%2C350&amp;ssl=1 240w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/jamesnewman.jpg?w=412&amp;ssl=1 412w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 240px) 85vw, 240px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-16857\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">James Newman<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">James Newman is the author of a diverse array of horror and suspense tales told with a Southern twang and a hint of pitch-black humor. Newman\u2019s publications include\u00a0<em>Midnight Rain, The Wicked, Animosity, Ugly as Sin, Odd Man Out, Scapegoat <\/em>(co-written with Adam Howe),\u00a0<em>Dog Days O&#8217; Summer<\/em> (co-written Mark Allan Gunnells) and\u00a0<em>In the Scrape<\/em> (co-written with Mark Steensland) along with a feature film adaptation of\u00a0<em>The Special<\/em> (based on Newman&#8217;s novella co-written with Mark Steensland). His newest release is a lean mean novella called <em>Ride Or Die<\/em>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ride-Die-James-Newman\/dp\/1951043340\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">available now through Silver Shamrock Publishing.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Here, we cover a plethora of in-depth topics like how the man finds time to write, his process when collaborating with other authors, writing convincing dialogue, his lifelong heroes, and a whole lot more. Enjoy!<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>(Interview conducted by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DarkBitesBlog\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Rick Hipson<\/a>)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><b>CEMETERY DANCE: In recollecting your work so far, how many books do you have on the shelves right now? I think you\u2019ve got to have close to twenty-five, thirty titles between your solo stuff, your co-written stuff, novellas, and novels.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">JAMES NEWMAN: Yeah, that\u2019s probably about right. Four full length novels. More novellas that I can count off the top of my head. Collaborations and so on. Yeah, thirty, forty; not sure.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Of course, you\u2019ve got umpteen amounts of short stories out there as well in various collections, and your own collections. Where do you find the time, because that\u2019s one thing that I know personally I always struggle with &#8212; just trying to find the time to sit down and write. I\u2019m not nearly, as far as the fiction stuff obviously, not even nearly as prolific as you are.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I would probably consider myself to be very un-prolific compared to some, but I definitely don\u2019t write every day, which is a shame because a lot of my favorite authors and influences like Joe Lansdale, recommend write every day. That\u2019s how you get it done. Sit your butt in the chair and do it. Everyone has their own process, and that doesn\u2019t really work for me. To answer your question, I just do it whenever I can steal the time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It sort of ebbs and flows. There are times when I\u2019m really neck deep in a project where I do write every day. Then there may be several weeks where I\u2019m just doing research and notes, and I\u2019m not actually writing. Or the day job has got me covered up, and the last thing I want to do sit down in front of a computer after doing it all day. Just doing the time whenever I can, that\u2019s the best answer to that question.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>With the newest one, <\/b><b><i>Ride or Die<\/i><\/b><b>, this isn\u2019t your typical YA novel. My mindset is still very much in a YA, very innocent, where things are sort of nice and na\u00efve, and all of a sudden these kids come across this horrible thing that they never really imagined was waiting for them at this house, just simply because they wanted to get some revenge on the one girl\u2019s father\u2019s mistress that she finds out about. That\u2019s not much of a spoiler. You find that out fairly quickly. Of course, how that all entails is really is the book. Can you talk a little bit about that? How\u2019d you get those attitudes down and the YA angst? Obviously, you\u2019re a dad of teens as well who clearly pays attention to your kids and probably their friends as well, but how did you get all that down so believable?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This one was a little bit tougher because one thing I definitely can\u2019t relate to is a teenage girl. I\u2019ve got nieces that I\u2019m pretty close to, but I\u2019ve got two boys, so I\u2019ve never really lived with a teenage girl. I actually had to put this one out there. I don\u2019t do this a lot. You usually don\u2019t want people to see what you\u2019re working on until your finished with. But I had the first ten or twelve pages, and I actually shared it with a few female friends and relatives just to ask them, \u201cHey, am I getting this right? Is this totally unbelievable? Is the voice obviously a guy trying to write girls, and it\u2019s failing miserably? Be honest with me.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What\u2019s cool is they pretty much 99% came back with, \u201cYou got it. Keep going.\u201d There were a couple of instances where they would say, \u201cWell, I\u2019ve never said that to a friend of mine, but maybe a younger girl would in modern times.\u201d Then a younger girl, for example my niece, would be like, \u201cYeah, I\u2019ve said that to my friends.\u201d You have to weigh the opinions. It was cool to get that input, but it\u2019s very interesting to hear you say that about how it was YA then quickly became not, because that\u2019s what I was going for.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Nailed it.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As with any story you try to establish the characters first, create realism, whether you are going for humor or drama, you want real characters. Then when you throw in the horror stuff, the audience is already with you. They\u2019re buying that this is real no matter how over the top it is. Without giving too much away, because one of the things we did in the back cover copy is stay away from exactly what the villain is &#8212; the evil, the conflict.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wanted to mention to you and to those who have read it, you might find it interesting that the villain in the story &#8212; villains &#8212; were very much influenced by someone from your neck of the woods. I\u2019m not sure if you are familiar with who I\u2019m talking about.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>From St. Catharines?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They\u2019re mentioned at one point in the book, yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>You know I just got a shiver there actually.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Very loosely based on them. The co-worker that I mentioned to you earlier before we were recording, when we were just chatting, was from a block away from where they lived.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Wow.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I actually named the street that that bad guy lives on after her.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What about some of the first horror books you can remember, the horror movies and books that you can remember, coming across and loving that stayed with you today that might have even influenced some of your fun factor for a lot of stuff you write?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You got some great questions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Your welcome for putting you on the spot.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The very first adult horror novel that I ever read was <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The House Next Door<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> by Anne Rivers Siddons. I\u2019ve read that several times since. It\u2019s a favorite. The very first Stephen King book I read was <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Salem\u2019s Lot<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. What really made me who I am today as far as when I was very young were <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">the Scary Tales to Tell in the Dark<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> books. I loved the stories, but just as much I loved Stephen Gammell\u2019s artwork. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re familiar, Rick, but the illustrations in those books are pure nightmare fuel.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Yeah, I find out after the movie came out and looked it up. They\u2019re great.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He had a very weird stringy style. Everything is very sinewy, and it\u2019s just so creepy. No one\u2019s ever done anything like that since. Those are some influences as far as fiction. Movies &#8212; I\u2019ve told this story so many times, but I love to tell it, so people are just going to have to hear it one more time.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I was all of four years old, my dad took me to <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">see The Incredible Melting Man<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> at the theater. I don\u2019t know why because that movie is filled with sex and violence. Ever since then I was hooked. A year or two later &#8212; I was five I guess &#8212; my parents took my sister and I to see the original <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Halloween<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> in theater. I remember being scared and begging to go home, peaking over the back seat, and then my mom would turn to my dad and say, \u201cThis was a bad idea. We need to leave.\u201d Then I\u2019d be like, \u201cNo, no no. I wanna see more.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Even at that age I knew I was simultaneously repulsed and obsessed over this stuff. I remember <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dark Night of the Scarecrow<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> on tv when I was ten or so. Those movies that you remember that made you who you are.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>A hundred percent.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Exorcist<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, an edited for tv version, when I was ten or eleven, that somehow scared me more in the scenes when she was in the hospital getting poked and prodded with needles, more so than the head spinning and the vomiting. It\u2019s odd but I can remember being more horrified by those scenes than the supernatural stuff.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sure. Do you find that there are some scenes that you\u2019ve read, and certainly with <\/b><b><i>Ride or Die<\/i><\/b><b> and other stuff like it, that you\u2019ve had to check your own moral compass about? Or do you find that when you\u2019re writing scenes that are of particular horrific nature, certainly involving kids and such, that it\u2019s business as usual, where you\u2019re like, \u201cAll right, I am just going to get through the scene. No big deal. I\u2019m still the same guy. Do it for the story. Okay, done that scene; move on to the next one?\u201d Or do you need to go hug your kids after? Do you need a hug from your wife after and being told that everything\u2019s going to be alright again? How do you find your processes through those particularly gruesome scenes?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I do tend to hug my kids after. I read somewhere that Stephen King said he would write about bad things happening to kids, because if you imagine the worst, it wouldn\u2019t happen to your kids. I can totally relate to that. I feel that it makes sense as a parent.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16861\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/cemetery-dance-interview-james-newman\/oddmanout-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?fit=1080%2C1439&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1439\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"oddmanout\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?fit=769%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-16861\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?resize=263%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"cover of Odd Man Out\" width=\"263\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?resize=263%2C350&amp;ssl=1 263w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?resize=769%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 769w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?resize=768%2C1023&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/oddmanout.jpg?w=1080&amp;ssl=1 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 263px) 85vw, 263px\" \/>Probably the only thing I\u2019ve ever written that I hesitated with and had a difficult time with was <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. That might have been more the tone of the whole thing than anything specific that happens to the main character. I found myself about halfway through that book knowing what was coming and just questioning myself a lot, where I normally don\u2019t question myself on content &#8212; more on do I have what it takes to pull this off.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As far as the tone went with <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, I kept wondering is this just too bleak? There is absolutely nothing uplifting about this. It\u2019s depressing. It\u2019s horrible the things that people will do to each other. You mentioned Jack Ketchum. I see <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> as my <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Girl Next Door<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> in a way. It\u2019s just so bleak and uncompromising, and you know it won\u2019t end well. It really got to me as I was writing that. Am I doing what I should be doing here? This is nothing but a book about suffering. Then I realized good horror can be about something else. It can make people think, \u201cHey, maybe we should treat each other a little better. So, I\u2019ve got to power on and do this.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Awesome. That\u2019s one book that I have not read of yours. I need to pick that one up because that\u2019s a shorter one as well, I believe. That\u2019s a novella, about 150 pages or so?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s probably about the same length as <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ride or Die<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">; maybe a little longer.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>One of the things that I love about horror that you really touched on there James is that you can really learn a lot from it because you\u2019re given the safety net. You\u2019re given this world that you can really explore these horrible things to wonder <\/b><b><i>How do I feel about that?<\/i><\/b><b> or <\/b><b><i>How would I react about that?<\/i><\/b><b> Or God forbid I see somebody else going through this: How will that affect them? How will that affect me from looking on it from the outside? Do you find truth for some of those type of scenes that you do, especially as you\u2019re able to look back and it\u2019s a completed product, and maybe you\u2019re starting to get some of that feedback from early readers, from people that have read these books, that have stuck with you or that maybe tried your book out for the first &#8212; maybe it&#8217;s their first foray into horror or into your body of work? Is there anything you\u2019ve maybe learned about yourself or about maybe change your perspective on life that was unexpected because you pushed through those horrific scenes and went to that uncomfortable part of the ocean, if you will?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s a good question. I don\u2019t know. I do think that reader reaction has surprised me, especially on <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. I didn\u2019t necessarily think it would be pretentious or presumptuous at best to think, \u201cI\u2019m writing something that has social value, here. This is going to change people\u2019s lives.\u201d That\u2019s not what I set out to do. I just set out to write a story, where the basic theme was maybe we should stand up for those who can\u2019t stand up for themselves and just be descent people in the guise of a horror story, and struggled with it a few times because it is just so bleak.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Then to hear the reader reaction that \u201cThis story changed my life. This story should be assigned to high schoolers as mandatory reading material.\u201d There is no better compliment than that for a writer. That\u2019s amazing. It\u2019s nice to know that maybe subconsciously you\u2019ve done something that matters. I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m really answering the question, but that\u2019s what I\u2019ve got. It\u2019s a good feeling to know that you didn\u2019t set out with some pretentious goal, but you did achieve a goal in the way that readers reacted to your story. It means a lot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>I really appreciate that response. It actually does answer the question as well. Again, a lot of things tie into our old friend, Dallas Mayr a.k.a. Jack Ketchum, because I do remember one particular thing. I covered his <\/b><b><i>Girl Next Door<\/i><\/b><b> certainly with the film adaptation coming out, and I\u2019ll never forget one of the things that he always said when what people\u2019s various reactions to that. <\/b><b>He said, \u201cWell, a lot of people would walk out of the theaters, and they were pissed off, and they were angry, and they\u2019re like, \u2018How could you?\u2019\u201d His impression of that was, \u201cWell, if the book pissed you off, and it angered you, good. That was the point. You should be angry at that. You shouldn\u2019t stand for that sort of treatment, whether it\u2019s on the page, in real life, on the screen, what have you. That should piss you off. Now we\u2019ll talk about it and have those discussions and talk about why you\u2019re pissed off about it.\u201d Maybe you got the same impressions.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I can definitely relate. A bad review\u2019s one thing. We all got them, but there were a couple I got for <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> that said, \u201cWe get it. This is nothing but homophobia, just people calling each other racial slurs and picking on the gay guy. Could you beat your reader over the head with it?\u201d Okay, maybe I did, but it got a reaction out of you that people still act like that. I remember reading another review where, again it\u2019s the reader\u2019s opinion. They have a right to review negatively, just like the readers that love your work. But one reviewer said something to the effect of, \u201cWomen are objectified in this story, even by the people who are supposed to be good guys.\u201d You know what, that\u2019s life. People do that. Sometimes people who are not necessarily even bad people do that, but maybe we should look inside ourselves and see why do we do that. To write about characters who are flawed or are flat out bad to me is just writing realism.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Absolutely. It\u2019s very interesting. We could go on certainly for quite some time talking about all the different examples and all the different movements when it comes to racism, sexuality, all the different events that we have to try to have those, as far as I\u2019m concerned, those stains on our society that are still so prevalent. You\u2019re worried about having all these ideals stuffed down your throat as far as, \u201cWell, yeah I get it. I get it. You know let\u2019s stop talking about it.\u201d Well, there\u2019s a lot of people who are still living it that feel like they\u2019re having to beat everybody else over the head to try to get their own lives to feel like those privileged people that just don\u2019t understand it.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There was a guy after <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Midnight Rain<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> had come out. I was getting ready to publish my second book. This is a guy I worked with, and he made the comment &#8212; I\u2019ll never forget this, Rick. It really got to me, and I wished I\u2019d handled it differently. He said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m looking forward to your next book, but I hope that it\u2019s less racist than the last one.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Oh, my goodness.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wished that I had allowed that to open up a dialogue between us instead of just shrugging it off, because I\u2019m not sure if he meant, \u201cYour book was racist because the villain was racist,\u201d which in my opinion when people take that opinion of writers who are writing bad characters must feel the same way as they\u2019re bad guys. To me that\u2019s just stupid, and there\u2019s not too much that you can say to someone who feels that way, because it was obviously the bad guy. C\u2019mon.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Then if he meant it the other way, which was, as you said a minute ago, \u201cYou\u2019re beating me over the head with this. The racism, I don\u2019t want to hear it.\u201d Well, maybe I should have taken that as an opportunity to talk with the guy. Why does it bother you to hear about these things? Would you rather just ignore them because you think these things don\u2019t exist? Or you\u2019re okay with these things? Because a lot of people will just say they\u2019re being beaten over the head with these things just think, \u201cQuit you\u2019re complaining. Quit rocking the boat.\u201d Maybe we should rock the boat because why are you okay with that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Absolutely.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Years later, I wished I had handled that whole conversation differently and not just shrugged it off and asked him, \u201cTell me what you mean&#8211;&#8220;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>I understand that. That\u2019s such a shock.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI\u2019d like to know more about what you mean by that.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>It\u2019s one of those things because it probably angered you, because you are such an advocate for equality and exploring those aspects of our society and humanity in a lot of your work. It\u2019s clearly very important to you that I imagine &#8211; and you being the humble, nice guy that you are &#8211; maybe it\u2019s just as well that you checked yourself. This person is probably go on living the way they are, but I understand where you\u2019re coming from with wishing you had that conversation with him. I\u2019m sure it was such a shock to you, your initial thing was <\/b><b><i>WTF! <\/i><\/b><b>and how do I collect my thoughts without coming across like what I really want to say to this person, because you\u2019re angry. Maybe if you said what was automatically on your mind, he might have said, \u201cYeah, see. I knew he was just an angry person. He writes angry characters.\u201d Who knows, right?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16858\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/cemetery-dance-interview-james-newman\/rideordie-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/rideordie.jpg?fit=318%2C465&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"318,465\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"rideordie\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/rideordie.jpg?fit=318%2C465&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-16858\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/rideordie.jpg?resize=239%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"cover of Ride or Die\" width=\"239\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/rideordie.jpg?resize=239%2C350&amp;ssl=1 239w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/rideordie.jpg?w=318&amp;ssl=1 318w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 239px) 85vw, 239px\" \/>On the same topic, I have had marginalized readers who have read my stuff like <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Midnight Rain<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, like <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Odd Man Out<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and there\u2019s a little bit of it in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ride or Die<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, who &#8212; those books are, I don\u2019t want to say packed with a racial or homophobic slurs. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Midnight Rain<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> probably was<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Odd Man<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> was, and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ride or Die<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> there was a slur used once, because there\u2019s a gay character in the story. I\u2019ve had marginalized readers read those stories and tell me there wasn\u2019t a damned thing wrong with that story, because people use those words. As hurtful as they are, you\u2019ve got to have realism in your stories and not tiptoe around it. The last thing they took away from that story was that James is a racist homophobe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>It couldn\u2019t be further from the truth. At least you\u2019re getting people talking about it. You would hope that they would just take the moment to, maybe when they\u2019re alone or something with their own thoughts so they can go back and maybe explore why they feel the way they do about some of those topics. <\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Regarding the limited time that you do for writing, are you &#8212; a lot of people use the word pantser, where you just go for it. Are you more of a spontaneous writer? Or do you find that you have to outline things because you\u2019ve got such a limited scatter time to get the writing in?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Probably somewhere in the middle. I hate the term pantser too, by the way.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Thank you.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s weird. Yeah, somewhere in the middle. I don\u2019t write a hard set in-stone outline. I\u2019ll have a very loose list of scenes that I think need to happen in this order. In a way, I guess it\u2019s sort of an outline, but it\u2019s so loose and fluid that things can be flip-flopped around, and it\u2019s a little bit more simultaneous. I have to have some kind of road map, because I\u2019m terrified at the thought of writing 300 pages, and then finding that I painted myself into a corner. So, yeah, just a loose list of scenes. A very loose outline, I guess.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Like signposts where you want to get here, but how you get there is up in the air.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Not to make it seem like that book is a <\/b><b><i>What Have You Done For Me Lately?<\/i><\/b><b> here James, but what is it that you\u2019re working on right now? Do you have any current works in progress? Do you have anything mapped out that you\u2019re hoping to do next?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Right now I\u2019m working on a couple of different short stories. Not really neck-deep in any major projects, except I am working on another collaboration. It\u2019s like, I don\u2019t want to say hush-hush but in a way it is. Without his permission, I don\u2019t want to give it away. Working on a pretty big collaborative novel with one of my influences, a guy I grew up reading, so that\u2019s a pretty big deal too me. We\u2019ll have more news on that soon.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Is it anybody that you might have mentioned already during this interview, if you\u2019re able to say that?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Very possible.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Very possible. Okay, I can see the twinkle in your eyes. Very cool. Looking forward to that. This will be the&#8211;<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It wouldn\u2019t take too much to figure it out.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Yeah, hundred percent. I appreciate that. This will be your biggest collaborative project, right? Most of your collaborations have been novellas, I think.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, without a doubt, it\u2019s going to be a novel.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>I\u2019m sure your collaborative efforts [from] before, they\u2019ll probably help you to map out an idea of how to approach this. If it\u2019s going to be back and forth. You do the approach to that, or do you find that it\u2019s always different for everybody that you collaborate with?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, it\u2019s pretty much the same. We usually just choose certain scenes we want to write, send it over to the other guy, and he adds his two cents to it to make the styles truly gel together. This is just more of the same. This guy primarily writes supernatural horror. I\u2019ve done some crime and thrillers stuff, so this is kind of a melding of our fort\u00e9s as well as styles.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Very cool. It\u2019s going to be a very cool blending of various subgenres. That could only mean good things. I\u2019m looking forward to that. I guess you probably don\u2019t have any plans on when you\u2019re hoping to get that done by. I don\u2019t know if maybe you\u2019re writing partner has deadlines that he has to get this done at a certain time, or perhaps yourself?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No, we\u2019re doing a no pressure, work on it when we can kind of thing. With that said, we had already knocked out probably as much as 20% of it the first couple of months we started working on it. Now things have slowed down with my day job schedule, and he has a bunch of other deadlines. We\u2019re just taking it as we have time to work on it, but we already have a big chunk of it done. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Going back to the pantser\/plotting question, it\u2019s all plotted out. It\u2019s going to go really smoothly. I can\u2019t imagine that readers wouldn\u2019t see it within a year, but I hate to make any promises.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Do you have a publisher selected for that?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We do. We do. I probably shouldn\u2019t really say yet, but we have someone whose waiting on it with bated breath.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Like the rest of us will be, and any of your fans that have read your work listening to this, I have no doubt that they\u2019ll be doing the exact same thing as well.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I appreciate that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>I\u2019m just going to wipe the drool off me here. One final question. I\u2019m just going to wrap things up, James. Again, thanks for all of your time here. I already touched on this a little bit already, but where\u2019s the best way to get more Newman? Is there a one-stop shop to kind of find out your progress, find out what you\u2019re doing day to day life, make sure that you\u2019re keeping safe and happy and writing on?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Probably Facebook. I spend too much time on Facebook.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Don\u2019t we all.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twitter, but I used that less than Facebook. I had a website, but I so rarely updated it that I let the JamesNewman.com domain expire. I would say that the best answer to that is Facebook. I\u2019m always on Facebook. If people want to reach out to me, they\u2019ll usually get an answer within minutes, as you know.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Yeah, you\u2019re fantastic getting back. I love that. I should probably point out, if you don\u2019t mind me saying this, that if anybody does a Google search for you, because I know you can read a list of your books on Goodreads, things like that. It\u2019s very important if you\u2019re putting in James Newman into the search field, put \u201cJames Newman author,\u201d because they might start to think that you moonlight as an athlete. There\u2019s some football guy out there named James Newman as well. I\u2019ve come across a mathematician guy, too. I know you\u2019re a pretty smart guy but that\u2019s not you.\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I have never entered my singing talents in a Eurovision contest. There\u2019s that guy, too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Was there anything else you wanted to add to our discussion at all before we wrap things up for the day?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No, just thanks for having me. It was fun. I hope people check out <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ride or Die<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and everything else for that matter. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Rick Hipson is a Canadian genre journalist living in Kitchener Ontario with his partner in crime, young spawn and two cats who insist they aren\u2019t vying for world domination. For over twenty years Rick has written for a variety of small press publications in print and online which no longer exist through, assumably, no fault of his own. He continues to share his love for dark culture entertainment through his film and book reviews, interviews and articles, which can be found through\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><strong>Rue Morgue Magazine, Cemetery Dance\u00a0<\/strong><em><strong>and\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><strong>Hell Notes<\/strong><em><strong>.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>James Newman is the author of a diverse array of horror and suspense tales told with a Southern twang and a hint of pitch-black humor. 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