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Elizabeth Massie is a modern master of horror, thrillers, and all things spooky, not to mention just about every other genre known to mankind. With her new collection of short stories,\u00a0Madame Cruller’s Couch and Other Dark and Bizarre Tales<\/em>, she reminds fans how a forty-year career is still improving. Yes, she’s won a pair of Stoker Awards, one for Best First Novel (Sineater<\/em>) and Novella (Stephen<\/em>), but she’s always gone beyond the expected, spinning her tales with a homegrown voice. She’s an eighth-generation Virginian and has incorporated an Appalachian flavor to many of her stories. While many of her tales hail from the Shenandoah region, she is familiar with many an era and local folklore. Novels such as\u00a0Hell Gate<\/em> and her Young Founders series, not to mention her new historical The Great Chicago Fire<\/em> display her love for the the past.<\/p>\n

Yet it is her success of the Ameri-Scares series, which focuses on folklore horror from a different state in every book, that shows the breadth of her love for dark tales for all ages. Optioned by Warner Bros, the series embraced fascinating stories while educating young readers.<\/div>\n
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When she was a little kid in Waynesboro, she wanted to be either a writer, actress, or horse when she grew up. The last two didn\u2019t pan out (although she did perform in a variety of local theater shows back in the day and she could cut loose with a fine whinny), but the first finally came true. She juggled teaching middle school life science during the day and typing (no computers for her until the mid-1990s) books and stories at night for nine years before taking the scary plunge into full time writing. <\/span><\/div>\n
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Now Beth juggles writing and life with her wonderful husband, illustrator Cortney Skinner (she tried juggling him, too, but\u2026), in their country home in Augusta County. She\u2019s had more than 30 novels and collections published as well as countless short stories in anthologies and magazines and is constantly bombarded by ideas for new tales. She and Cortney like to place and find geocaches, spend time at Starbucks, and drive around, seeking roads they\u2019ve never traveled before. Beth is fascinated by abandoned amusement parks, hospitals, and houses and always keeps an eye out.<\/span><\/div>\n

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(Interview conducted by Dave Simms)<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"coverCEMETERY DANCE: Madam Cruller’s Couch<\/a><\/em> is your newest collection and it might just be your best. Do you have any favorites in the bunch?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

ELIZABETH MASSIE: Thanks so much for the good words, Dave! As to the stories in <\/span>Madame Cruller\u2019s Couch and Other Dark and Bizarre Tales<\/span><\/i>, I must say it\u2019s hard to name a favorite child. Once you do, the others stare at you with those cold, furious eyes and you aren\u2019t sure it\u2019s safe to go to sleep. So, I will say they<\/span> all<\/span><\/i> are, which is why I included them in the collection. (There ya go! Is it safe now?) <\/span><\/p>\n

But to pin down several, I\u2019ll admit I had a great deal of fun with the title story, \u201cMadame Cruller\u2019s Couch.\u201d The idea came quite a few years ago when Cortney, Barb, and I were driving north to Necon (that marvelous horror convention) one summer. In Rhode Island, we passed a psychic\u2019s studio that was abandoned and had fallen into disrepair. The sign was still there but the place was a mess. I said, \u201cI wonder what kinds of energy might have been absorbed into that psychic\u2019s furniture over time?\u201d And the seed for the story was planted. <\/span><\/p>\n

Another that I particularly like is \u201cLucky and Poop Tail,\u201d which is pure fantasy\/creepy with animal heroes and a very satisfying conclusion. \u201cJust Two Good Old Boys\u201d freaks me out especially because of the history of human experiments on which the story is based. But one that sticks with me most is the novella, \u201cEating Cancer.\u201d The idea still haunts the shit out of me. The way people can be mentally twisted to terrifying ends is all too real and all too current.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\"coverSineater<\/em>, which won the Bram Stoker Award, resonates with many readers. I hear there’s something in the works that relates to this. True?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

True! I\u2019m currently working on a sequel (novella) to <\/span>Sineater<\/span><\/i>, called <\/span>Sineater: Wages<\/span><\/i> (that\u2019s the working title; it might change.) It takes place 20 years after <\/span>Sineater<\/span><\/i> ends. The main character is Henson Darrow, a second cousin to Joel Barker, who ended up as the sineater at the conclusion of the original novel. Without giving anything away, Henson — a nineteen-year-old college student — encounters terror and dreadful societal expectations back home in the Appalachian community of Beacon Cove when he feels obligated to return following a phone call from his brother. The novella should be available later this year.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Your first published story is nearly 40 years old. What have you learned in this long and glorious career of dark, weird fiction?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ah, \u201cWhittler,\u201d my very first published story. Got a whole $2 for that one, from Dave Silva of The Horror Show<\/em> magazine. (Wait, did you say almost 40 years ago? Holy moley!) Over all this time, one thing I\u2019ve learned is that to have a career as a writer, it\u2019s best to write what you want to read — horror? historical? Westerns? romance? mysteries? — because that will be your best work. You\u2019ll put your heart into it. Of course, try all kinds if you feel so moved, and I\u2019ve definitely done that, though I tend to return to horror for the most part\u2026my first literary love. And if you can make a big name while writing your choice of fiction, great! But that doesn\u2019t happen often. So, be willing to expand your repertoire if need be. I don\u2019t mean dump horror for romance; I mean don\u2019t doggedly write only zombie apocalypse if that\u2019s become overdone — if you can write good zombie apocalypse fiction, you could likely write other horror fiction well. <\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve also learned that making a living as a writer is a swinging bridge\u2026sometimes things are going great but then can swing in the other direction and you\u2019re holding on for dear life. You can\u2019t let yourself get seasick. Make friends with other horror writers; they\u2019re all over the place such as social media and conventions. And I\u2019ve learned that these days, small press publishers are a dime a dozen and writers need to investigate any potential market before submitting. Oh, and don\u2019t pay to get published. That\u2019s a big no-no.<\/span><\/p>\n

My personal favorite novel is Wire Mesh Mothers<\/em>.\u00a0 Do you have one that resonates more than all the others with you?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Wire Mesh Mothers<\/span><\/i>, for those who don\u2019t know, is a frightening road trip that begins when an elementary teacher kidnaps a student to save her, but is in turn kidnapped by a dangerous, troubled teen. It\u2019s one of my favorites, too. As to one that resonates in particular, though, I\u2019d say <\/span>Sineater<\/span><\/i>. It\u2019s my first; a lot of blood, sweat, and tears went into its creation. It\u2019s set in a region of the Appalachian Mountains not all that far from where I was born, grew up, and continue to live. It explores societal traditions that are bizarre, rare, and utterly fascinating to me. I\u2019d tried to imagine what it was like living in such a society, and how it would have affected every aspect of my life — how I view the world, what I think I should and shouldn\u2019t do, what I would fear and what I would embrace. I still love <\/span>Sineater<\/span><\/i>\u2019s main character, Joel Barker, and have often wondered for years what might have happened to him.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

You’re known mostly for your career in horror yet you’re incredibly prolific in several genres. Can you give a rundown of your writings outside the darkness?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"coverI do tend to spread my writing wings a bit when I feel so inspired. I\u2019ve written historical fiction (The Young Founders series of novels, <\/span>The Great Chicago Fire: A Love Story<\/span><\/i>), mainstream fiction (<\/span>Homegrown<\/span><\/i>), poetry\/meditations (<\/span>Night Benedictions<\/span><\/i>), and tons of history, science, and language arts articles, passages, poems, and skits for numerous national educational publishers. I love researching articles and especially enjoy writing poetry. I have three ghoulish and rather humorous poems included in the newest print edition of The Horror Zine<\/em>, July 2022. Check \u2018em out!<\/span><\/p>\n

You’ve lived through some glorious — and dim — moments in the world of horror. Where do you see the genre today?<\/strong><\/p>\n

There are so many more writers these days than in the past due to tons of small presses and the ease of self-publishing, and I can\u2019t keep up. It\u2019s sad that there are so few big publishers now that are willing to take on solid, terrifying horror novels. In fact, there are so few big publishers now. Some of the smaller presses have made big names for themselves and that\u2019s helped rescue the genre in some ways. Thanks, you guys! However, many small press novels won\u2019t be shelved in bookstores\u2026and there are fewer bookstores, as we all know. As much as people hate Amazon, at the moment it\u2019s certainly one place to find all kinds of horror fiction. As to what preferred topics or specific categories within the horror genre are currently popular, I can\u2019t say, because if I do, the very next day those preferences will change.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

“Abed” is by far your most disturbing tale that I’ve read. And… it was adapted to film, which was equally disturbing. Are there any stories, or moments, that you have trouble revisiting?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

With \u201cAbed,\u201d I had challenged myself to really rip the lid off with that one, make it as disturbing as possible, and was thrilled that John Skipp and Craig Spector agreed (Skipp read it on a plane and said it made him woozy. Now, that\u2019s a compliment!). Yet while there are stories that still chill me to the bone, such as \u201cAbed\u201d (now available as an individual story from Crossroad Press), \u201cStephen\u201d (a Stoker-winning novelette in <\/span>Borderlands 1<\/span><\/i>), \u201cKeeping the Peace\u201d (in Crossroad Press\u2019 <\/span>Freedom of Screech<\/span><\/i>), \u201cDee in the Dark\u201d (from <\/span>Madame Cruller\u2019s Couch and Other Dark and Bizarre Tales<\/span><\/i>), and others, there aren\u2019t any I have trouble revisiting. I know what\u2019s happening before I go in and am fairly well prepared.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ameri-Scares is an amazing series for kids that’s scary and educational. Can you update the CD readers on this series and its future?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"\"I remember, as a kid aged 10 or so, loving scary stories that didn\u2019t horrify me but gave me chills and challenged me to think or see things in a new way. As a former public middle school teacher, I thought it would be great fun to create a series I would have eagerly read when I was young, but also thought I\u2019d add a bit of educational\/social studies value (shhh, don\u2019t tell the kids!) Ameri-Scares was born. Each novel is set in a different state in the Union and each is based on or inspired by an actual legend, folktale, or historic event from that state. I\u2019ve gotten a kick out of researching the various legends and stories of history in various states — I\u2019m getting some educational value out of this, too. So far, there are 13 novels in the series. Mark Rainey has picked up the torch and is helping me move the series forward. Kids and school librarians are saying wonderful things about these books. Yay!<\/span><\/p>\n

The horror community is like none other. Why is this, in your opinion? I’m thinking cons, especially one that might be up north.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think most people in the horror community are sensitive souls; we write about people in terrifying situations, people who may be troubled or confused, people who are outcasts or misunderstood, people who are lost or out of their element or fragile — and these people face some of the most horrifying situations anyone can imagine. In order to write about these characters well, to flesh them out and make them accessible to readers, I truly believe we have to care\u2026at least to a degree. And true caring can\u2019t be faked. Most horror writers\u2026or I should say the best ones\u2026are genuinely caring people. It\u2019s awesome to gather with them when possible. My favorite horror folks gather at my favorite horror convention, Necon<\/a>, which is held in July.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Can you recommend any newer (or lesser known) writers that are current favorites of yours?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m not sure she\u2019s lesser-known, but Paula Ashe is a favorite that I\u2019d definitely recommend. Seriously, her works deliver a solid punch! Don\u2019t miss it! I\u2019d also suggest people check out Todd Keisling — he has an excellent line up of super-creepy books already but he\u2019s newer to the biz than many.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

What’s next for Elizabeth Massie?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Besides the <\/span>Sineater<\/span><\/i> sequel, I\u2019m working on a novel called <\/span>Freezer Burn<\/span><\/i> and researching the Texas Ameri-Scares novel (based in a haunted theater in San Antonio\u2026.oooh!). I have several new short stories coming out, including one titled \u201cGive to Me Your Leather\u201d in <\/span>The Drive-In: Multiplex<\/span><\/i>, which is a tribute to Joe R. Lansdale\u2019s The Drive-In<\/em>. This limited, signed edition will be up for preorder this summer and it has a fantastic line up!<\/span><\/p>\n

Thanks for the chat, Dave!<\/span><\/p>\n

David Simms lives in Virginia. He works as a psychology\/English teacher, counselor, music therapist, ghost tour guide, and book reviewer.\u00a0 When free time permits, he moonlights in the Slushpile band on lead guitar after co-founding the Killer Thriller Band with F. Paul Wilson, Heather Graham, and David Morrell, which has played across America to promote literacy and questionable musicianship.\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n
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He sold his first short story twenty years ago and has published a few dozen since then in various genres. His first novel, <\/strong><\/em>Dark Muse,<\/strong> was released in 2013 (Melange Books) and was re-released in 2020 as a middle grade novel that celebrates the music in schools as well as children with disabilities. <\/strong><\/em>Fear the Reaper<\/strong> (Crossroad Press) was the first novel about the American eugenics program which directly influenced Hitler, one of the darkest chapters in the country’s history that isn’t found in history text books.<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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