{"id":19088,"date":"2024-08-23T07:00:10","date_gmt":"2024-08-23T11:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/?p=19088"},"modified":"2024-08-18T17:30:45","modified_gmt":"2024-08-18T21:30:45","slug":"night-time-logic-douglas-ford","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic-douglas-ford\/","title":{"rendered":"Night Time Logic with Douglas Ford"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15845\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic-with-jeffrey-ford\/nighttimelogic-web\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?fit=830%2C120&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"830,120\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"NightTImeLogic-web\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?fit=830%2C120&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-15845\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?resize=830%2C120&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Night Time Logic with Daniel Braum\" width=\"830\" height=\"120\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?w=830&amp;ssl=1 830w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?resize=350%2C51&amp;ssl=1 350w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/NightTImeLogic-web.jpg?resize=768%2C111&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>\u201cThe Twilight Zone. The Infection Party. And the Heart of Darkness.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_19089\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-19089\" style=\"width: 270px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"19089\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic-douglas-ford\/douglas-ford\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?fit=1290%2C1671&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1290,1671\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"douglas-ford\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Douglas Ford&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?fit=791%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-19089\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=270%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"photo of author Douglas Ford\" width=\"270\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=270%2C350&amp;ssl=1 270w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=791%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 791w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=768%2C995&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=1186%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1186w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?resize=1200%2C1554&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/douglas-ford.jpg?w=1290&amp;ssl=1 1290w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 270px) 85vw, 270px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-19089\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Douglas Ford<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Night Time Logic is the part of a story that is felt but not consciously processed. It is also the name of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this interview series here at Cemetery Dance<\/a> online and over on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@danielbraum7838\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">my YouTube channel<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Through in-depth conversation with authors this column explores the night time part of stories, the strange and uncanny in horror and dark fiction, and more.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My short story collection with Cemetery Dance is titled <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Night Marchers and Other Strange Tales <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">in homage to Aickman and his kind of stories that operate this way. It can be found <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/nightmarchersbraum\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I spoke with Douglas (along with author Jeffrey Ford) in April 2024 about their recent work. Our conversation is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/live\/gZ1WoDQoA1w?si=MukLQ-zux3KGcIDn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here on YouTube<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My conversation with Douglas today begins with question about author Charles Beaumont\u2026<\/span><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>DANIEL BRAUM: Charles Beaumont, Richard Matheson and Shirley Jackson are three authors from the post-<em>Weird Tales<\/em> era that you cite as ones that are important to you. Tell us what you think of when you think of each author.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">DOUGLAS FORD: Interestingly enough, Matheson is the only one of the three that was published in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Weird Tales<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. That\u2019s not entirely surprising, as that magazine probably suits his style and aesthetic better than the other two. After 1939, horror fiction saw the ascendency of <em>Unknown<\/em> magazine, which was edited by John W. Campbell. I\u2019m quoting from David Hartwell\u2019s introduction to <em>Dark Descent<\/em> here because it\u2019s revealing: \u201cCampbell demanded stories with contemporary, particularly urban settings, told in clear, unornamented prose style,\u201d influencing Shirley Jackson in particular, though I don\u2019t think she ever published anything in the pages of that magazine. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hartwell does provide an interesting anecdote elsewhere in <em>Dark Descent<\/em> when he says that Jackson called <em>Unknown<\/em> \u201cthe best\u201d and attested to having a \u201ccomplete run\u201d of its issues. Meanwhile, her work became celebrated in mainstream publications like <em>The New Yorker<\/em>, while Beaumont\u2019s name appeared in <em>Playboy<\/em>. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Purely because of personal inclination and bias, and not to ignore writers like Gerald Kersh or Ray Bradbury, both of whom I adore, but I think of Jackson, Beaumont, and Matheson as a kind of holy trinity of horror fiction from that era, particularly for how they crafted short stories. Together, their respective styles helped fashion modern fiction &#8212; Matheson for his finely-crafted storytelling, Jackson because she knew how to cast a spell through her prose, and Beaumont because he somehow made horror personal &#8212; more so than any other writer I can think of.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>You\u2019ve mentioned Beaumont in particular as perhaps the most influential to you. In what way does he influence your work?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I read a Beaumont story, I sense a writer who put a great deal of himself into the plot and characters. There\u2019s an intimacy about Beaumont story that\u2019s hard to miss. When I write, I need to feel a personal connection to the characters and the events of the narrative. By that, I don\u2019t mean that they\u2019re strictly autobiographical, but rather that there are personal echoes, resonances that make the story honest. If there\u2019s no honesty, something doesn\u2019t work. Horror, more than any other genre, needs to tell the truth, even when dealing with unreal things like monsters and phantoms.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there such a thing as a \u201cBeaumontian\u201d story? Are there any elements that you\u2019ve identified that you\u2019ve noticed recur in his stories?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I find myself going back to the intimate quality of his fiction. I can\u2019t claim to be an authority on his biography, but those echoes I mentioned seem ever-present to me. There\u2019s an aching loneliness that triggers my empathy there, a feeling of finding oneself estranged from the world in which he lived &#8212; at least that\u2019s the sense I come away with. Even a story like \u201cPlace of Meeting,\u201d a story that contains the kind of twist we find a lot in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Twilight Zone<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (though it wasn\u2019t one that Serling used) is founded on the need for a connection. So often that kind of story gets reduced to a twist, almost a kind of punchline. Of course, Beaumont\u2019s reader is supposed to feel a sense of surprise at the end, but that\u2019s not the most powerful emotion. Instead, it\u2019s a profound sense that we\u2019re isolated from one another and adrift in a chaotic world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>You said you find a \u201csense of aching loneliness that triggers your empathy\u201d in his work. And a \u201csense that we\u2019re isolated from one another and adrift in a chaotic world.\u201d Take them one at a time and tell us about these two things and how you see them operating in Beaumont\u2019s stories.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cThe Howling Man\u201d comes to mind when I think of that sense of finding ourselves adrift in a chaotic world. I think that story contains one of his most memorable endings, one that somehow remains fresh to me every time I reread it. That story suggests that peaceful order is precarious, hinging upon a group of monks keeping the devil locked in a cell. Yet he\u2019s such a pathetic figure, so of course the narrator of the story wants to release him. It\u2019s an act of kindness on the part of young man wandering aimlessly, trying to find himself. But letting the devil loose unleashes forces so destructive they change history itself and result in the holocaust. <\/span>When he adapted the story for <i>The Twilight Zone<\/i>, Serling soft-peddled the ending a little bit.<\/p>\n<p>Beaumont himself, on the other hand, never hesitated to steer us into emotionally precarious waters, like in a story such as \u201cThe Hunger,\u201d which ends with a woman whose loneliness ends with her murder. The last lines of that story are amongst the most haunting in horror fiction: \u201cperhaps if I don\u2019t scream he\u2019ll let me live. That would be nice.\u201d Through his subtlety and deft touch, Beaumont makes it clear it won\u2019t be nice at all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cPerchance to Dream\u201d is a well-known <em>Twilight Zone<\/em> episode. Tell us about the episode and the story it is based on. Why is it so iconic and quintessentially \u201cBeaumont\u201d?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I can\u2019t remember who pointed out the connection first, but Wes Craven seems to have lifted several elements from that story to use in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A Nightmare on Elm Street, <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">specifically the idea that if you die in a dream, you\u2019ll die in real life. Serling\u2019s adaptation of that story contains so much memorable imagery &#8212; the carnival, the roller coaster, all creating such wonderfully surreal dream sequences that would probably scare Freddy Krueger. The main character of that story is so doomed, almost in a classical Greek sense, the course of his life governed by forces he cannot control. For me, that stands out as a key component of what we might call quintessential to his work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I\u2019m not a fan of reading fiction as disguised autobiography, but in Beaumont\u2019s case, it\u2019s hard to not think of the tragedy of his own life. He suffered from a rare condition that caused him to deteriorate both mentally and physically. Eventually, writing became impossible, and he apparently aged so rapidly that when he finally died at the age of 38, he looked like he was in his 90s. Experiencing such premature aging must have made it seem like the universe truly conspired against him, and it\u2019s hard not to make connections two of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twilight Zone <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">episodes he penned &#8212; \u201cQueen of the Nile\u201d and \u201cLong Live Walter Jameson,\u201d both of which involve characters who suddenly age rapidly in their climaxes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Could it be said there is a surreal or magic realism aspect to Beaumont\u2019s work?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cFritzchen,\u201d one of Beaumont\u2019s most wonderfully strange stories, involves a strange creature boarded in a pet store, where it soon starts making a meal of the other pets. The story ends with the reveal that it\u2019s actually the young offspring of something bigger and more dangerous. The story begins by describing the setting this way: \u201cIt had once been a place for dreaming.\u201d This sentence encapsulates so much of Beaumont\u2019s work for me. It\u2019s also a line that speaks to your question. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To some degree, both surrealism and magical realism collapse the boundaries between dream and reality. I don\u2019t think I\u2019d go as far as to suggest that what Beaumont writes fits comfortably in magical realism, but he certainly made the borders of reality seem permeable. In that sense, surrealism never seems that far away. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To offer a counterpoint, I\u2019d suggest that Beaumont wrote most powerfully when he wrote in a realistic mode. \u201cMiss Gentibelle,\u201d for instance, is jarring and disturbing in its depiction of a child abused by the title character &#8212; she tortures and murders his pets. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A moment ago I said I don\u2019t generally like to read fiction as autobiography, but \u201cMiss Gentibelle\u201d is another one where we have to acknowledge that Beaumont injected a great deal of himself into his fiction. As a child, he apparently suffered some of the abuse he depicts in that story. Similar realism turns up in \u201cThe Life of the Party,\u201d which has a wonderful reveal and succeeds beautifully without any fantastic or otherworldly elements. It\u2019s another story where the horror arrives with a palpable sense of loneliness.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>I often mention <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em> as a touchstone or quick way to reference to a newcomer when introducing the concept of \u201cstrange tales\u201d or \u201cAickmanesqe\u201d fiction. Upon talking with you about Beaumont\u2019s work I\u2019m wondering if my use of The Twilight Zone as a touchstone is not the most accurate. In many <em>Twilight Zone<\/em> episodes, there isn\u2019t an intentional ambiguity that I associate with strange tales but instead many of the \u201cstrange aspects\u201d you mention present in a Beaumont story :\u201can aching,\u201d \u201cloneliness,\u201d and \u201ca verisimilitude.\u201d Even in episodes that have ambiguity there often is a big reveal or explanation.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Might it be more accurate to use\u00a0<\/strong><strong><em>The Twilight Zone<\/em> as a touchstone for Beaumont\u2019s work? Is a \u201cBeaumontian\u201d story and <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em> \u201cformula\u201d synonymous?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There might be some truth in that. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s by coincidence that Beaumont penned the first <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twilight Zone <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">episode not written by Serling. Arguably, Beaumont began hammering out the tropes that we would come to associate with <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Twilight Zone<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> years before the series premiered. I\u2019m not sure that aesthetic is too far afield from Aickman\u2019s notion of the \u201cstrange story.\u201d While it might be hard to imagine a straight-forward <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twilight Zone <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">adaptation of a story like \u201cThe Hospice,\u201d the ending of that story does offer up a brutal sense of irony that might have tickled both Beaumont and Serling. I\u2019m thinking of that wonderful moment when the hapless traveler has to leave that bizarre hospice by riding in the back of a hearse. In the end, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s necessarily ambiguity that underscores what we\u2019re calling \u201cBeaumontian,\u201d but the sense of irony that results from the clockwork of an inconceivable universe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>What are some of your favorites of Beaumont\u2019s stories that have been adapted to <em>The Twilight Zone<\/em>?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I find myself going back over and over to \u201cThe Howling Man.\u201d I love the gothic setting and the gorgeous chiaroscuro cinematography. Plus, I\u2019m a sucker for the devil. We\u2019ve already mentioned that one as well as \u201cPerchance to a Dream,\u201d which is a weird masterpiece. I\u2019m also fond of \u201cLong Distance Call,\u201d one of the more chilling episodes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>How does Beaumont\u2019s work influence your creative process? How do thinking about his stories and depictions lead you to finding your way to personal or intimate spaces for your characters?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"19090\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic-douglas-ford\/infection-party\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?fit=756%2C1145&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"756,1145\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"infection-party\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?fit=676%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-19090\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?resize=231%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"cover of The Infection Party\" width=\"231\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?resize=231%2C350&amp;ssl=1 231w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?resize=676%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 676w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/infection-party.jpg?w=756&amp;ssl=1 756w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 231px) 85vw, 231px\" \/>I dedicated my second collection of stories, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Infection Party and Other Stories of Dis-ease, <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to both Shirley Jackson and Charles Beaumont. The title story is a deliberate riff on Jackson, but there is more than one story contained in that collection where I now realize I was, perhaps unconsciously, trying to channel the kind of story Beaumont was so good at delivering. I\u2019m thinking of \u201cThe Halloween Mummy\u201d in particular, which contains the closest thing I\u2019ve written to a <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Twilight Zone<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> ending. But I didn\u2019t start the story with that goal in mind. I\u2019m not a planner at all when it comes to writing fiction, so the denouement of that story came about organically. As a writer, I always assume that the reader is smarter than me, that they can see a trick ending coming before it arrives, so I don\u2019t even try. As a reader myself, I love surprises, but I don\u2019t like to be tricked.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Writing \u201cThe Halloween Mummy\u201d proved to be a joy because I surprised myself, and hopefully it will surprise the reader, too. My sense of Beaumont is that he enjoyed that element of surprise too. But that\u2019s not the sole reason for the \u201cBeaumontian\u201d qualities of that story. It also came from a personal place. As I wrote in the story notes in that collection, I drew from personal experience to craft that story and tried to channel some personal pain. I didn\u2019t know where it would take me, and as I indicated, I wasn\u2019t necessarily prepared. As Beaumont did with \u201cMiss Gentibelle,\u201d I took myself back to something that happened in childhood. One Halloween, my mother helped me dress as the mummy for a birthday party taking place a few houses away. She helped me cover myself in ace bandages, with everything held together by safety pins. Wearing nothing underneath those bandages but underwear, I went to the party, and of course I unraveled. I\u2019ll never forget running home virtually naked with the last traces of the bandages flapping in the wind behind me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Moving the focus to some of your stories. The first one of yours that I read was \u201cInvitation to a Burial\u201d which appears in your Madness Heart Press short story collection, <em>Ape in the Ring<\/em>. I have a series of questions for you about this one. And this is a heads up to readers that we are going to go in-depth and into spoiler territory for this one.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>While stories about kids are a hard sell to me this one grabbed me. I found that it captures that \u201cintimate\u201d character space you mention about Beaumont\u2019s work. Also, it felt very \u201cRay Bradbury\u201d to me as well. What I mean by that is that the set up captures the innocence and magic of youth with a side order of danger that I associate with so much of Bradbury\u2019s work.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>You give us a group of kids and their game of trying to break a streetlight with their ball as the story begins, along with capturing the feeling of something many of us can relate to from childhood, the sense of that one house on the block that was different. A very \u201cAmerican\u201d thing, perhaps.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>How much of your personal experience do you put into your stories?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To paraphrase the famous Douglas Winter quotation, horror is an emotion, not a genre. It hinges upon a feeling. To extend that idea, I believe that in order to make the reader feel something with a horror story, I have to feel something when I write it. I\u2019m so glad you mention \u201cInvitation to a Burial\u201d because it\u2019s a meaningful story to me. It\u2019s another story that came from a personal space, and it went through several drafts. I couldn\u2019t make that story work until I channeled myself and my own coming-of-age experiences. I grew up in Miami, where the kids in my neighborhood played a lot of street football, and the game would always continue until long after the sun went down. The streetlight in front of my house had a sensor on top of it, and the game sometimes degenerated into a contest to see who could throw the football high enough and hard enough to knock that sensor off. Every once in a while, someone succeeded, and the resulting darkness seemed so total and haunting. That darkness followed me when I went back inside my house.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>The second thing I like about the story is the ambiguity about whether anything supernatural is happening at all. Even if something supernatural is not happening, to this reader, it holds the same space as if it was.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>As the story progresses the group of kids enter the house (by invitation) and thus are drawn into something \u201csuper\u201d-natural to their every-day world, to their normal. They are now in the world of the kid named, Hugo who is the outsider of the group and who lives in that house.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>At anytime that story could have turned into a \u201cbasic\u201d horror story, at least structurally. What I mean by that is that at any time this could have turned into a story about an \u201cordinary\u201d monster being in the house but you did not go there. What were you thinking when making these choices for the story?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As I said, I had to rewrite that story several times before it felt right. It wasn\u2019t until I stumbled upon the character of Hugo that it came together. In many ways, I felt like the outsider. As the nerdy kid who read books all the time, I never completely fit in with everyone else. At some point while writing that story, I read something about immigrant families from Romania paying money to exhume their buried ancestors and move them overseas for reburial. That detail gave me the element that was missing from the story. In the end, it\u2019s the closest thing to a vampire story I\u2019ve ever written.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>I was surprised when you told me that this is your \u201cvampire\u201d story. On my first read while I observed the lore and customs of Hugo\u2019s family, I did not overtly read anything on the page that indicates \u201cyes this person they are burying is a vampire.\u201d\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Which brings me back to the way this story holds the space of where a supernatural element could reside in the story. I viewed Hugo\u2019s family\u2019s old-world traditions as the group of kids seeing the strangeness of the outsider through their own eyes. Without this being supernatural we can see how affecting and un-nerving such an experience can be. Especially when young and\u00a0especially if it is one\u2019s first time experiencing other cultures and customs. This is one of the powers of the story.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Were you daring the reader to think that what was happening is supernatural?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Aha, we\u2019re back to ambiguity! My hope was to leave enough room and context for a reader who wants to find a supernatural element in the story. I also made the deliberate decision to avoid calling the coffin\u2019s occupant a vampire. To make that the only conclusion available to the reader diminishes it. I also want room for myself to imagine that it\u2019s something else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Then we come to the ending. The story is careening to the conclusion that a baby will be killed as part of the burial ritual. The \u201cgun is on the mantlepiece\u201d so to speak.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yet the story delivers an unexpected and very effective ending. The ball is buried. Giving us this delivers something so personal and something I found weird in the right ways. Often if things go down the way I expect something is lessened. So, I was delighted that this ending challenged me.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Is this ending representative of that \u201cintimate space\u201d you see in Beaumont\u2019s stories?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The idea of burial ultimately signifies an attempt to suppress memory, to pretend the unpleasant things in life have gone away. Yet, the kids in the story will always suspect they know what the grave contains. They were invited to the burial, which entails a burden of responsibility, the duty to remember and memorialize. The trauma doesn\u2019t go away, becoming something that they must learn to deal with. In this sense, my stories often function as explorations of trauma. Staying true to this theme, buried things often refuse to stay in the ground.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I want to mention your use of the supernatural and ambiguity in your short story \u201cEverglades Rest Stop\u201d which can be found in your collection <em>The Infection Party<\/em>.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>This is a Florida-set story. A rest stop off of Snake Road, the rural stretch of highway which bisects the Everglades in Southern Florida.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>This story delivers the apprehension and atmosphere of the setting. I feel it is more on the bullseye of what I think of as being a horror story. The joy of the story is it delivers the reader what they want. And what they expect.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>The structure for me read as foreshadow\u2026 foreshadow\u2026 then delivery on the expectations.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>As opposed to \u201cInvitation to a Burial\u201d which operated as foreshadow\u2026 foreshadow and then a subversion of expectations.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>When do you make the decision to deliver or subvert on expectations when drafting?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Again, as a writer, I generally try to surprise myself without forcing anything and to treat storytelling as an organic process. That particular story came about after taking countless car trips between Naples and Miami along Alligator Alley, which cuts across the Florida Everglades. Even though I\u2019ve visited the Everglades many times, it has never lost that powerful sense of the sublime and numinous for me. I knew I wanted to write a story in that setting and draw from Snake Road, a major road that crosses Alligator Alley. At some point, I came across a photo of Snake Road from the air, and it winds in such a way that it truly looks like snake. That kind of road provided not just a setting for the story, but also the trajectory. As a text, it winds and winds like a snake toward one inevitable destination, and of course, that involves a den of snakes in what are essentially the ruins of a roadside attraction transformed into a kind of temple.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>There is again an ambiguity of sorts in the ending. Again, this ambiguity is not the kind I refer to when talking about an \u201cAickmanesqe\u201d kind of story. The clearly is a giant snake and an ancient temple present at the end of the story. So, it is not ambiguous that the supernatural and fantastic or horrific is present.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>What is not delivered is the why. The how. The back story. All the foreshadow comes into play.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Is this story operating more in a \u201cmagic realism\u201d or \u201csurrealistic\u201d way?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wanted to leave the backstory up to the reader, often suggestion without any definite conclusion. It\u2019s tough to analyze my own fiction, but my guess is that one reader might find it more akin to magical realism while another might find it surrealistic. My preference is to think of it as more in line with the Weird tradition that Jeff and Ann VanderMeer outline in their monumental anthology, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Weird. <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love how that anthology offered both a foundation and a reappraisal of what that mode means, beginning with late nineteenth century stories and working up to present-day incarnations of the \u201cNew Weird.\u201d Stephen Graham Jones devised a fascinating guide for assessing the Weird in the form of a flow-chart he calls \u201cThe Flowchart of the Damned.\u201d One position on the flowchart asks us to appraise weird fiction on the basis of how much it destabilizes our perception of the world. My hope is that \u201cEverglades Rest Stop\u201d succeeds in doing that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>One of your recent releases is the novelette called \u201cDead Cats of Civilization.\u201d\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Tell us about the link to the iconic Joseph Conrad story \u201cHeart of Darkness.\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While re-reading \u201cThe Heart of Darkness,\u201d a particular line captured my imagination. At one point, Marlowe states, \u201cI\u2019ve done enough for it to give me the indisputable right to lay it if I choose for an everlasting rest in the dustbin of progress, amongst all the sweepings and, figuratively speaking, all the dead cats of civilization.\u201d Somehow, that odd phrase &#8212; \u201cthe dead cats of civilization\u201d &#8212; led to an association with hurricanes and how I live in a state where such storms are a constant hazard to civilization. Seeing the turmoil of Hurricane Andrew in the 1990s made an impression on me, and I have always been haunted by speculation that the death toll was much higher than reported as well as the rumor that the National Guard was storing dead bodies in a fast-food restaurant. Somehow, the confluence of those things led to the main arc of the novelette, where a young man rushes into the aftermath of a similar hurricane to help his family and finds that things are not as they seem. In the end, there are literal dead cats in the story, as well as something more uncanny that has washed ashore in the storm surge. However, I want to emphasize to anyone reading this interview that I love cats. I really do! As I tell prospective readers of the book, no actual cats were harmed in its writing. The cats who share my home with me would never forgive me. So blame Conrad!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">ABOUT THE AUTHORS<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">DOUGLAS FORD writes horror fiction, often covering a wide spectrum of styles, from the quiet corners of the uncanny, to occult wilds of folk horror and southern gothic. His credits include\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Trick<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">,\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Beasts of Vissaria County<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Little Lugosi (A Love Story)<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. His short fiction has appeared in two collections, most recently\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Infection Party and Other Stories of Dis-ease<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and a third (<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let\u2019s Cut Up Dad!<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">) will appear in the second half of 2024. He lives on the west coast of Florida. Find him at <a href=\"https:\/\/douglasfordwrites.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">douglasfordwrites.com<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">#<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15854\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/night-time-logic-with-jeffrey-ford\/ap-dbraum-1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/AP-DBraum-1.jpg?fit=526%2C956&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"526,956\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"AP DBraum (1)\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/AP-DBraum-1.jpg?fit=526%2C956&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-15854\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/AP-DBraum-1.jpg?resize=193%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"photo of Daniel Braum\" width=\"193\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/AP-DBraum-1.jpg?resize=193%2C350&amp;ssl=1 193w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.cemeterydance.com\/extras\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/AP-DBraum-1.jpg?w=526&amp;ssl=1 526w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 193px) 85vw, 193px\" \/>DANIEL BRAUM writes \u201cstrange tales\u201d in the tradition of Robert Aickman. His stories, set in locations around the globe, explore the tension between the psychological and supernatural.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">His novella <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/serpentshadowBRAUM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Serpent\u2019s Shadow<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and short story collection <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cemeterydance.com\/nightmarchersbraum\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Night Marchers and Other Strange Tales <\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">are out now from Cemetery Dance.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More about his books and events can be found <a href=\"https:\/\/bloodandstardust.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cThe Twilight Zone. The Infection Party. And the Heart of Darkness.\u201d Night Time Logic is the part of a story that is felt but not consciously processed. It is also the name of this interview series here at Cemetery Dance online and over on my YouTube channel. 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